David Avellan and Robert Drysdale get top Lightweight Kevin “Motown Phenom” Lee on the podcast to share his perspective on how adversity has made him rise to fame and power so quickly.

We dig into Kevin’s roots, and learn the origin of the nickname “Motown Phenom” (which is deeper than you might expect). We also talk about how the MMA game is changing, and how he plans to start at the top of the curve. We also reflect on his last fight, and look into who his next opponent may be.

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